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 Post subject: Under the knife
PostPosted: January 21st, 2015, 6:38 pm 
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My shoulder surgery is scheduled for Thursday morning. Right shoulder, second time around. Prayers are much appreciated. Jim

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PostPosted: January 21st, 2015, 6:46 pm 
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Jim:

What are you having done? I became very experienced at shoulder surgery and rehab over the past 11 months, having BOTH fixed in that time period. Both my primary issues were labral SLAP tears instead of the rotator cuff tears that are common to bowmen.


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PostPosted: January 21st, 2015, 6:55 pm 
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Prayers on the way.

As Steve said, not only is he an expert, i am as well.


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PostPosted: January 21st, 2015, 7:07 pm 
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Damage is tears around the back of the shoulder, not the bicep tendons like the last two times. I'm hoping the bone spurs thing hasn't returned. I'll be off another 3 months, having started FMLA back in early December. I got back all my range of motion the last two times, I hope it goes as well this time.

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Yikes, praying for you!! I had an AC joint resection, an acromionplasty, a biceps tendon repair and a rotator cuff repair back in 2002. It took my out of commission for awhile, but I was as good as new when I did heal up. Good luck!!


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Best of luck to you. You have all winter to heal and work towards being ready for bow season.


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Good luck Jim, hopefully you will be bending your bow by summer time. 8-)

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PostPosted: January 21st, 2015, 9:48 pm 
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Been through the shoulder surgery, it's not fun. Praying for you!

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You got it buddy!

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Jim...

Under the knife now, so you can be holding the knife later. Good luck.


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Good luck Jim. Rehab like they tell you.


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Good luck on your surgery Jim! I too am having shoulder issues after too darned many years shooting a heavy bow weight. Hopefully my decision to drop my bow weight will preclude having to go through what you and others have had to endure.

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Prayers on the way. Keep us posted on the outcome.

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Prayers sent. I found that some extra strength tylenol taken beforehand helped me push myself during the physical therapy on my RC rehab.


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surgery went well, 2+ hours. my bride was shown pics of the damage and she said it looked like jellyfish tendrils, all shredded and the like. PT is only once a week to start out sine there was so much damage, both front and back.. doc buzzed off what arthritis he could. I should be back to work, lifting no more than 5 # in 3 months. Thanks everyone for you concern. jim

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Jim, be diligent in you rehab as I'm sure you will. I've been fortunate to not yet encounter any shoulder related issues, but have dropped my bow weight to the 68# range.

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 Post subject: Re: Under the knife
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2015, 10:13 am 
Last November I had rotator cuff surgery on my right shoulder to repair the damage I did while tripping over a tent line at night (all my fault) - three massive tears, one tendon was retracted, shredded one of the two bicep tendons and even managed a small tear in my left shoulder (nothing done with that one). I was fortunate in that I had virtually no pain associated with both the surgery and rehab. On the third day after surgery I started taking double strength Tylenol and that it was. Rehab didn't start for 3 weeks and my arm was in a sling for a total of 3 months.
As Mark said rehab is the key. I've had numerous knee surgeries over the years (plus one knee replacement) and I always pushed the rehab which really isn't a problem with those surgeries (at least for me) - but for once I listened to my Dr. and physical therapists and did just what they said to do, nothing more. I did everything right up to the limit and didn't push it. I couldn't be more happy on how everything turned out. About the only concession I've made is that i'm shooting my 60# limbs instead of my 65 or 70#.
Good luck with your rehab.


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just had my 1st follow-up. i'm posting mainly to show the wide gap in the amount of damage one can have and the different approaches to treatment. the surgeon said the bicep tendon was completely separated, but i was saved because it hung up on the rotator cuff, preventing complete retraction. had that happened, i'd have lost the use of that muscle. the tear in the labrum was bad he said, as in light, medium and bad. therapy consists of once daily passively(use the left arm)moving the right, up 90% out 45% down 35%, repeat 10x. arm back in sling til tomorrow. that's it for the next four weeks. most i should hope for is 90% range-of-motion recovery. sorry to bore y'all but thought it might help. pm if you want, or we can talk. pics available upon reqest ;) jim

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Hope recovery continues at a good pace Jim! I had surgery on my right shoulder a few years ago and should have it done on my left but Doc says it's optional. One tendon is mostly torn loose but the other is still holding.

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My surgeon is old enough to be my daddy and he said my right (drawing arm) was only the second time he'd ever put nine stitches in a labrum. I was pulling 50# in 3 1/2 months. How many stitches did you get?

I am pulling a 39# recurve well enough to shoot it as of maybe yesterday or today with bow arm surgery (5 stich labral tear) at about 14 weeks. Not sure about your tendon part of it. I call the earlier exercise 'elephant trunks', swing the arm like a trunk. Physical therapy three times a week is an absolute must to get it back where it needs to be.

Peej told me to forget about 'manhood' when pt starts as they will make you whimper like a little school girl. True dat.


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bill, i was told the danger of a full tear in tendon can be a retraction of the muscle. it can ball up, pulling the tendon too far down to be reattached if not treated in 48 hours.
steve, part of my post was about the wide differences in surgery and following pt. eric krewson on tradgang immediately went to 6 hours/ day of passive movement, much different than me. my surgeon didnt put a number on the stitches, just severity of damage and % chance of recovery of mobility. photos show the frayed, feathery looking labrum and resulting gap. i'd done the elephant trunk thing the last two times, but with both bicep tendon and labrum work, that was not possible this time around. i'm hoping to be turkey hunting in april and back to deer this autumn.

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Shoulder surgery is very complicated depending on the injury and the surgeon. Some surgeons are good and then there are others that I would not other operate on my dog.
Steve, the stitches are anchor sutures and are usually two per anchor. You drill and tap the good bone. The anchor is taped into the bone, then the torn ligament is fastened to the anchor by heavy suture. That feathey stuff should be prior to the repair. An aggressive rotary shaver cleans all that up.
I have bad shoulders but I just continue to take it easy. I shoot 52 lbs and use a rotational draw. It is easy on the shoulder.


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 Post subject: Re: Under the knife
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tim, for my benefit and others, could describe, or better yet do a short vid a rotational draw?

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All this is interesting to me. I've been shooting fairly stout bows (like many here) most of my adult life, and lucky enough not to have shoulder issues. I have the occasional small aches and pains but nothing to really limit me. I still wonder what...if anything...might be happening within, after all these years. I used to routinely shoot bows from 60-70 pounds for everything. I now max at about 65 or so at my draw length. For deer and 'typical' stuff I like a bow weight of 50-56. I would still hunt deer with a 45, but not sure below that.

I know for sure I don't want a shoulder injury to screw up my life. I think if it came down to it, I would put joint health above my bows. It wouldn't be easy, but I would NOT want a permanently damaged shoulder.


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The guy I learned it from is a coach. I will post his video. Imagine pulling with your elbow like your using a rigid form master.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6c8_-96h6BY
It is better than pulling straight back as far as the mechanics of your shoulder. Here is a video of me trying to learn. When you start out, your arrow is pointing to the left of the target. As you rotate, your arrow lines up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zr536ATJLo


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Prayers it keeps going well for you! Glad you didn't lose muscle use. Been a bad deal for sure!


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tim, that's exactly what i was looking for. i'm a visual learner, so that is excellent. KTE jim

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I started shooting again last week. This is from 14 yards. Most important, I can shoot 20 shafts with NO PAIN! My cuff is still a little loose, but there is the containment and strength I need to get back "on the stick". It was a long road back with one setback at work, but that's in the past. Looking forward to squirrel season 8/15 then bigger targets. J

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That's good news Jim,

Take it slow..............


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Great news Jim. I glad to hear you are doing well.


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