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PostPosted: January 11th, 2015, 4:42 pm 
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I hunted with a guy this year that has been using this stuff for 5 years to purify his water . Has anyone used this stuff ! Or know anything about it?


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 Post subject: Re: Water purifying
PostPosted: January 11th, 2015, 5:25 pm 
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Looks like a good way to get sick to me.


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He told me he has never been sick


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I've used a few different things but not that stuff. Only thing I wouldn't use again is the little pen that you put salt in the cap. I use iodine quite a bit when I go really lite. The yellow capped citric acid takes the nasty taste away, pronto. Just gotta make sure and let the iodine do its work first!


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Ok, went and read just a bit about this product, says it kills anaerobic bacteria. Problem. Giardasis aka giardia (beaver fever) is a cyst from I believe a dinoflagellate which is a totally different organism. I also have hunted where there are known bacteria such as leptospirosis and there is another virus that isn't unheard of in some waters, forget the name. I think using this product for said purpose is flawed and no way I would without doing more in depth research!


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PostPosted: January 11th, 2015, 8:26 pm 
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Craig Burris wrote:
He told me he has never been sick



I don't doubt that. Lots of people who don't treat their water at all don't get sick.

I've not ever used any of the treatments only filters and boiling. I'd use regular bleach before any fancy stuff like that.


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Like Steve said the yellow capped bottle takes away the iodine taste and those two little jars are so light, it seems hard to beat that system ... And cheap too. I don't see a reason to try anything else, personally.

..... Hunting in HI this spring, I saw a camper fill a Nalgene bottle right out of a creek known to have bad stuff in it and she just started chugging. I've often wondered how the rest of her trip went ... Maybe fine ... But maybe not.

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I've used iodine for years and as the good Lord as my witness, I don't find any aftertaste whatsoever. It seems to be getting harder to find iodine and there is a "newer and better" product on the market made by MSR. Don't know the name, but it isn't supposed to go bad. BUT, it tastes absolutely horrible. Kind of like that taste you get after you take a BC headache powder.

I recently bought a Sawyers filter, the really small and light weight one. So far I really like it. Not expensive, simple to use, and light weight.

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I can chime in here. My wife and I hiked most of the AT last summer.
We use crystalline Iodine. Polar Pure is the brand. It is no longer available. It seems some of the many recipes for meth use pure iodine, so the FDA decided we weren't to be trusted and banned it. There are pills that are iodine based. They probably would work for a short trip, but deteriorate once the bottle is opened, so they are a one trip purchase.
Filters are available in many sizes and capabilities. The Sawyer was common on the trail. It has a bag that you fill, then screw a filter cartridge on the neck. Squeeze the bag to force the water through the filter. Light, cheap, easy. The bag will split at the seam after a hundred liters or so. No problem for a week trip.
Another method is Aqua Mira. It's a 2 chemical system. You add 7 drops A to 7 drops B. Let it work 5 minutes, then add that to a liter of water. 4 ounces of chemicals should last 500 liters, no taste in the water. Probably my choice.
I saw, but have no comment on the ultraviolet light pens.


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Steve Hanes wrote:
I saw, but have no comment on the ultraviolet light pens.


I think I recall reading somewhere that Doctor Vanasche (hope I spelled that correct) used the UV pen.


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The Katadyne Base Camp filter is a very good option if you have a basecamp. It is very light, packs small, and filters a lot of water easily.
http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-Base-Camp ... B002IAMCZQ


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I would be afraid, very afraid. I do not like using the tablets. I like to use the 4L inline filter gravity for backcountry camp and a inline bottle for my pack.


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Top end pumps, UV pens, and boiling -- used these methods in winter research camps for many years - hundreds of days, 6-20 years ago. Had Giardia once from water not sufficiently boiled. Iodine sure works but will be hard to come by (in some forms) very soon -- as pointed out. Tom Vanasche - referenced by Steve H. - and I both had the affliction in central Idaho - same year, different stream. Tom's a long-term ER Doc and he swears by the UV pens or "steripens." Bottom line, Giardia is a serious thing to get and it is not smart to mess with non-proven methods -- accepted/recommended by the professional medical community.
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Coming in little late to the debate. I've been around long enough to have tried about everything and know what Giardia can do if you are not careful. I ALWAYS have double TP with me! I have settled on the Steripen and so far it has been flawless though I don't do double blind studies with my friends. If it works on Mt. Everest with that kind of investment involved, I believe in the product. Comes with more upfront cost but less spent on TP.


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Update on the sawyers mini. As mentioned above, the bag that comes with it doesn't look like it would hold up very long. I picked up a 1 liter platypus bag and it works perfectly. You can roll the filter inside the bag and it will carry smaller than a soda can. The 1 liter bag runs about $14.00

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